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9:32:33 AM System You are now being connected to an agent. Thank you for using Dell Chat
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9:32:38 AM Priya_140538 Thank you for contacting Dell Technical Support. My name is Priya and my rep ID number is 01140538. How may I assist you today?
9:33:53 AM Devin Olson Hello Priya. I've been having some intermittent problems with my Broadcom 10/100 integrated network adapter on my Inspiron 9300
9:34:13 AM Priya_140538 Hello Devin.
9:34:23 AM Priya_140538 Please be assured that I will look into this matter, and provide the best possible resolution.
9:34:29 AM Priya_140538 Please give me 2 to 3 minutes to pull up your account information.
9:34:31 AM Priya_140538 We will not face any connectivity issues in our interaction. However, in case the chat still gets disconnected, we will call you back to ensure that the issue is completely resolved. Please provide me with the best number and time to reach you?
9:34:32 AM Devin Olson Is there some form of Diagnostics I can run on the card to test the hardware?
9:34:34 AM Devin Olson ok.
9:35:29 AM Devin Olson xxx-xxx-xxxx. I'm in the US Eastern Time Zone, anytime between 6AM and 9PM is fine.
9:35:43 AM Priya_140538 Thank you for the information.
9:35:48 AM Priya_140538 Yes, we can surely run a test to check the hardware. However, we need to know the exact issue first.
9:35:48 AM Priya_140538 As per the records with me you have an Inspiron 9300, with Windows XP Professional installed as an operating system on it. Am I correct?
9:37:56 AM Devin Olson Since I purchased the machine, I've replaced the original hard disk with a larger capacity (80G); and added a dual boot OS. It is now SuSe Linux 10.3 / Windows XP Professional. The issues I'm having are currently in Windows XP.

This is where I screwed up. I should have simlply answered "Yes"

9:38:12 AM Priya_140538 Okay.
9:38:37 AM Devin Olson I have not tested to see if the problems show up in when booted in Linux, that is not my primary working O/S.
9:39:23 AM Priya_140538 I see.
9:39:38 AM Priya_140538 May I know what exactly is the issue that you are facing with the network card?
9:41:49 AM Devin Olson It is intermittently dropping my network connection. This morning I could not get an IP address from my DHCP server. The lights on the Router blink very, very rapidly when plugged in, but no connection appears. When I plug the network cable from the router into another computer (Dimension 8400 Desktop), it works just fine.
9:42:08 AM Priya_140538 Thank you for the information.
9:42:12 AM Priya_140538 Are you using the same system to chat with us, with which you are facing the issue?
9:42:19 AM Devin Olson I have set up my wireless on the laptop in order to work.
9:42:26 AM Devin Olson Yes, I'm working on the laptop at the moment.
9:43:18 AM Devin Olson Currently the wireless NIC on the Inspiron is showing an ---

At this point, the NIC started chattering (flooding my network with corrupt packets) so much that the router started to flip out. I disconnected the network cable from the laptop and everything started working correctly. I then started a follow-up chat session with Dell Support:

9:43:19 AM System The session has ended!
9:50:15 AM System You are now being connected to an agent. Thank you for using Dell Chat
9:50:15 AM System Connected with Ravinderpal_181203
9:50:53 AM Devin Olson Hello. I was chatting with Priya_140538 and we became disconnected.
9:51:09 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Thank you for contacting Dell Technical Chat Support. My name is Ravinder and my rep ID number is 181209 . How may I assist you with your Dell computer today?
9:51:18 AM Devin Olson I copied the log of our chat to my clipboard.
9:51:47 AM Devin Olson I am having intermittent network problems with my onboard ethernet port on my inspiron 9300.
9:51:55 AM Ravinderpal_181203 what is issue you are facing right now ?
9:52:58 AM Devin Olson I'm having intermittent connectivity issues with my Broadcom integrated 10/100 network card.
9:53:33 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Okay .
9:53:34 AM Devin Olson I'm running Windows XP Professional. I'm using the machine to chat with you now, however I'm using the Wireless network connection.
9:54:05 AM Devin Olson I have unplugged the cable from the broadcom NIC, it seems to be flooding my network with packets.
9:54:33 AM Devin Olson However, I'm not sure of that. Is there some form of diagnostics tool I can use to test the NIC?
9:54:57 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Thank you for the information. I’ll be glad to assist you. Please give me 2 to 3 minutes to pull up your account information. Also, may I have your telephone number, along with the area code to update our records?
9:55:14 AM Devin Olson I have my Dell Drivers and Utilities Resource CD, but I don't have a Dell Diagnostics CD.
9:55:22 AM Devin Olson xxx-xxx-xxxx
9:55:34 AM Devin Olson xxx-xxx-xxxx (cell)
9:55:39 AM Devin Olson xxx-xxx-xxxx (home)
9:55:56 AM Devin Olson xxx-xxx-xxxx (fax)
9:56:32 AM Devin Olson I've moved since I purchased the Inspiron 9300. My new address is
9:56:38 AM Devin Olson xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxxx
9:56:44 AM Devin Olson xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxxx
9:58:46 AM Ravinderpal_181203 May I place this session on hold for 2-3 minutes while I research on this issue?
9:58:52 AM Devin Olson Yes.
10:04:51 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Are you using two operating systems ?
10:06:50 AM Devin Olson Yes. It is a dual boot machine. Suse Linux 10.3 and Windows XP. However, I just noticed the network problem in Windows XP over the last week or so. I'm a beginner on the Linux O/S, I don't know enough about Linux to try to troubleshoot issues in that O/S yet.

Screwed up again.

10:08:57 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Have you made any hardware changes of your own ?
10:09:58 AM Devin Olson I have replaced the original hard drive with a larger (80G) one.
10:10:22 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Have you purchased it from dell.
10:10:27 AM Devin Olson That was in either December or January.
10:10:35 AM Devin Olson No, I purchased it elsewhere.

Strike three, I'm out!

10:12:07 AM Ravinderpal_181203 I like to mention since it dual booting machine and hardware changes are made by your own end we cannot support any assistance .
10:12:53 AM Ravinderpal_181203 However there is dept. called dell on call which is fee based support that can assist you over issue .
10:13:15 AM Devin Olson Ok. What if I reinstall the orignal Hard Drive?
10:14:06 AM Ravinderpal_181203 You even have to remove the operating system which you updated your self .
10:14:52 AM Devin Olson The original Hard Drive contains the original O/S only.
10:15:31 AM Devin Olson However, the issue at hand is NOT my Operating System, it is my Network Card.
10:15:36 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Yes , we will surelly assist you .
10:16:31 AM Devin Olson Is there diagnostics software available for the integrated network card?
10:16:55 AM Ravinderpal_181203 We have to follow policy of dell which says " we only support factory loaded system or system upgraded by company ".
10:17:30 AM Ravinderpal_181203 You have inspiron 9300.
10:18:44 AM Devin Olson Yes, I have an Insprion 9300, with 199 days left on my Dell Complete Care policy.
10:19:01 AM Devin Olson Is there diagnostics software available for the integrated network card?
10:19:55 AM Ravinderpal_181203 You can rollback to factory loaded hardware and software we will surely assist you .
10:20:50 AM Devin Olson Yes, I can rollback to factory loaded hardware and software.
10:21:17 AM Devin Olson Before I do that, I would like to know if there is there diagnostics software available for the integrated network card
10:21:25 AM Ravinderpal_181203 We have inbuilt test called in dell partition that has test all hardware . you can use that to check the network card .
10:22:04 AM Devin Olson And that partition is on my factory installed hard drive?
10:22:15 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Yes .
10:22:23 AM Devin Olson Thank you.
10:22:55 AM Ravinderpal_181203 I can provide you steps for it .
10:23:47 AM Devin Olson Thank you, that would be helpful. Is there a PDF or something I can print out? (Obviously, I'll be offline while changing the hard drive)
10:24:10 AM Ravinderpal_181203 press FN key and press "power button " and turn on the system , you will be directly in dell partition .
10:24:40 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Yes we have support site "support .dell.com"
10:25:15 AM Devin Olson Hold down the blue FN key while pressing the power button. Check.
10:25:32 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Yes .
10:25:51 AM Devin Olson Cool. I have the support.dell.com up in another browser window right now.
10:26:15 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Okay wait I am forwarding you link for the steps please wait .
10:26:25 AM Devin Olson Wonderful. Thank you.
10:27:10 AM Ravinderpal_181203 We can arrange a call back for you in case you want us to assist you .
10:27:28 AM Devin Olson Thank you, that will be helpful.
10:28:09 AM Devin Olson Before I start this process, do you know if there is a downloadable diagnostics tool for the integrated NIC that I can install / run in my current configuration?
10:29:55 AM Ravinderpal_181203 This is link for manual https://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins9300/sm/index.htm
10:30:10 AM Ravinderpal_181203 what is best time to call you back.
10:31:48 AM Devin Olson I figure it should only take me a few minutes to swap out the drive. However I don't have any idea how long it will take for the diagnostics to run.
10:32:10 AM Devin Olson Do you know if there is a downloadable diagnostics tool for the integrated NIC that I can install / run in my current configuration?
10:32:58 AM Devin Olson That link you sent me is for the online service manual.
10:33:36 AM Ravinderpal_181203 You run the test as I provided steps we can contact you tomorrow .
10:34:12 AM Devin Olson I'm in the US Eastern Time Zone. Anytime between 6AM and 4PM is fine.
10:34:22 AM Devin Olson Do you know if there is a downloadable diagnostics tool for the integrated NIC that I can install / run in my current configuration?
10:35:42 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Sorry our diagnostic are either on dell partition or on utility CD provided to you .
10:37:29 AM Devin Olson Utility CD? Do you mean the Dell Drivers and Utilities CD for Reinstalling Dell Inspiron Computer Software, P/N Y2986 Rev. A37 that came with my laptop?
10:38:25 AM Devin Olson Is there diagnostics software on that CD that I can use?
10:39:47 AM Ravinderpal_181203 No, there is one CD has specific dell utility Diagnostics .
10:40:19 AM Devin Olson I can't seem to find that.
10:40:32 AM Devin Olson Is there an ISO available for it?
10:41:12 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Since you have all test on the dell partition you can run it from there .
10:41:52 AM Devin Olson I understand that. However, I'd really like to avoid having to swap out the Hard Drive if at all possible.
10:44:07 AM Ravinderpal_181203 As I told you we only support factory installed hardware and software sorry there is no support , you can contact "dell on call " they can support current configuration .
10:44:17 AM Devin Olson I see.
10:45:27 AM Devin Olson So, if I had the CD in my posession, I could run the utility from there.
10:45:35 AM Ravinderpal_181203 This is DELL on call number 888-236-3355.
10:46:17 AM Devin Olson But I don't have it, and because I've swapped out the hard drive, you will not even tell me if a diagnostics tool is even available for download.
10:46:59 AM Devin Olson So in order to continue, I have no choice but to reinstall my original hard disk drive.
10:47:09 AM Ravinderpal_181203 yes .
10:47:31 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Should I arrange call back for you .
10:47:59 AM Devin Olson Very well. I will begin the swap-out momentarily.
10:48:15 AM Devin Olson Yes, please call me back tomorrow morning. xxx-xxx-xxxx.
10:49:03 AM Ravinderpal_181203 I can arrange call back for tomorrow evening .
10:49:28 AM Devin Olson I won't be in the office tomorrow evening. Can you call back this evening?
10:50:53 AM Ravinderpal_181203 I have word with manager one of senior technician will be available tomorrow evening so I can arrange tomorrow evening .
10:51:15 AM Devin Olson How about monday morning?
10:52:08 AM Ravinderpal_181203 This is direct number of our voice technical support 800-624-9897
10:52:23 AM Ravinderpal_181203 You can call them any moment .
10:52:33 AM Devin Olson Ok, I'll to that.
10:52:34 AM Devin Olson Thank you.
10:53:13 AM Ravinderpal_181203 Thank you for choosing Dell, We appreciate your business.

Yeah, right. I'm certain they do appreciate my business.

In case you're keeping count, I asked if a diagnostics tool existed 8 times (9 if you count the request for an ISO), and was ignored or had the subject changed each time!

(BTW - I found the tool. It is right here on Dell's support site).

Anybody care to guess what brand my next laptop will be?

-Devin

Comments

Gravatar Image1 - ABD (Anything But Dell)? Emoticon

Gravatar Image2 - Hey Devin...Do you know if there is a downloadable diagnostics tool for the integrated NIC that I can install / run in my current configuration?

I went mac. LOVING it.

Also, for what it is worth, the Dell Chat for support is always the worst option. I support over 100 dells in my organization and I have learned to just pick up the phone and call dell the Old-School way. It's a much better experience but that is not to say that it's always great.

Gravatar Image3 - @1: More like this: { Link }

Emoticon@2: Amen to that brother. I went the chat route because I was hoping (yet another mistake on my part) that they could simply give me a URL. How flippen hard could that possibly be?

Gravatar Image4 - Hate to say this buddy, but I think they handled it correctly. There is a very small, but non-zero, chance that your 3rd party hard drive is the cause of your NIC problem. Not the OS and drivers on the hard drive, but the hard drive itself. There is a very small, but non-zero, chance that their diagnostic software will not correctly determine the cause of the problem if the 3rd party hard drive is installed in the laptop. Therefore, from their perspective, the results of the diagnostic software simply can't be trusted unless you remove the 3rd party drive. If the diagnostics incorrectly tell you that the NIC is broken when in fact it is the hard drive, they'll end up taking on the cost of an RMA (or home visit if you have an on-site service agreement), the problem will not be fixed, and everyone will be unhappy. So, what they're effectively doing is insist that you put in the factory drive so that they can make a 100% confident determination whether the problem is theirs or yours before going to the next step.

Gravatar Image5 - Thanks Richard.

I understand your point about the hardware, and the possibility (albeit small) that the problem is truly related to the non-factory HDD; and on that point you are, as usual, correct.

However, I have to disagree about them handling it correctly. Had the support tech explained the situation and reasoning to me as you did, I would have been a wee bit frustrated, but I would have understood their position.


Ignoring a customer's question 8 times is the exact opposite of handling it correctly. Ignoring a customer's requests for a callback time is even more infuriating.

I, the customer who pays them money, should not be treated as a groveling slave, begging for enlightenment from my master. He (or she) may have used the correct phrases ("Thank you", "We will surely assist you", etc), but if you re-read the chat history and pay attention to the "tone", you'll see there was no respect at all.

The support tech was an ass, plain and simple.

Gravatar Image6 - @Devin,
Have you ever got the feeling you know more about they're products than they do? Boy, this conversation brings back bad memories from that last time I troubleshooted an issue with my daughters Compaq pc. Add in the frustration that they refused to take my call because they claimed I was out of support. I had to pull my receipt and fax to them to prove I was within the one year agreement. I worked the phone and chat line. The chat line finally got me satisfied.
Cheers.

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